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Worlds Safest Craps System

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Or is it? I came across, from a friend, a craps gambling system that touted itself as the worlds safest system. Imagine my surprise when I saw the system was basically one I developed many years ago while in dealer’s school for dice. Yes, they actually had a “school” to learn how to deal. I happen to think it was just a way to rake in government grants, but that’s beside the point. Anyway, this system, had you purchased it would get in you hot water right off the hop—no pun intended.

This conservative way of playing is not the safest system and could end up costing you money. Let me point out that what they are selling is the equivalent to my first craps system ever—I improved from there.

The basis is this: You bet money on the don’t pass line. When a point is established, you place the point. You can’t lose now. You will either win the bet (the odds) or push. However, getting to a point being established is the trick. There is a 22.2% chance that you will lose your money on the come out roll. Well, that’s “safe” for ya. Ok, I am hiding part of the truth—you caught me. You have a chance to win if a two or three shows its ugly head—yes, I am not a don’t bettor. The probability of this happening is 8.3%. So your true probability of losing the opening bet is really 13.9%—still happy? Let’s run with these numbers to see how this “safe” system will play out.

It will be a little hard to project since we don’t know how many points will be made. For all we know, there could be six consecutive crap outs, two points made and five more consecutive crap outs. Therefore, I will show a few possible scenarios to see what’s needed to make this system work. To keep it average, we will assume our point is a five or nine (middle of the road) each time and our bet will be $10. Therefore, a win will net $4 profit. Finally, we will play 21 points. Since our open bet loss probability is 13.9%, this means we will lose 3 units during our test.

Scenario One (Pretty good table):
Opening Bankroll: - $30 (three opening losses)
Number of Points hit out of 21: 10 (basically 50%)
Profit from points: $40
Net Result: +$10

Scenario Two (average table):
Opening Bankroll: -$30
Number of Points hit out of 21: 7 (33%)
Profit from points: $28
Net Result: - $2

Scenario Three (cold table):
Opening Bankroll: -$30
Number of Points hit out of 21: 4 (19%)
Profit from points: $16
Net Result: - $14

As you can see, this system requires a pretty good table to just scrape by. What makes this worse is the probability of the points being a 6 or 8 far outweighs the probability of the points being a 4 or 10, which means the payouts can be a little smaller than represented here. These numbers really represent the long-term. You could walk up to a table and be out quick, because the shooters went on a 7-11 tear on the come out.

I remember when I first came up with this idea. I was 21 and decided to walk into the Horseshoe (in Las Vegas) with some friends whom I was teaching craps to. We tried it and it worked pretty well—until those lovely 7’s and 11’s came flying down the table in bunches. That’s when I modified my system to be even more conservative with a greater safety factor built-in. That one worked pretty well, but boy can it get boring if points are not being hit—cocktails anyone? I really hated life when some shooter was hitting point after point and all I had to show for it was a couple dollars per win. It goes both ways though.

If you have a craps system you want me to analyze, use my contact form to send it to me.

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  1. Perrell O'Hearn Says:

    Hello,
    I just turned 21, and I have become very intersted in craps. I live on east coast and recently went to a casion (Foxwoods) where I played craps for the first time, though I did not to all that well, its grabbed my attention every since.

    I was hoping you could help me analyze a betting strategy that I just recently thought of. Since I am new I feel that I wont be able to accuretly put all the numbers together and I’d hate to think I have a 10% chance of winning when really its a 2%, etc.

    I have been practicing online, on a 3-4-5 with 10 min bet.

    The betting I have tried and seen some success in is as follows:

    Bet 10$ on Pass Line. If point is scored, I then place odds bet, and place bets. I read that placing max odds bet will give house smallest advantage, but i am not sure if thats true. if so, place max odds bet. I also make place bets on the 6-8 which will come close to matching my total pass+odds bet. if my place bets are hit, enough to make back my pass+odds bet, I take them off. This leaves me around even (usually slightly over). Then I leave it to my pass/odd bet. If i 7 out then no harm done, if anything ive made a few $$. If i hit i win $70 ($10 pass - max odds (3-4-5)) on top of the place bets which i have been usually keeping around 24 each so another 48 giving me around 125$ for a optimum outcome.

    I have considered some of the probabilities and outcomes.

    Prob. of losing pass bet (2-3-12) 4/36 = 1/9
    so if we say i make 27 bets i will lose 30$ off the top.

    once point is made
    Prob. of losing all pass/odds/place
    6/36 = 1/6 = ~17%
    so if i lose 3 times off the top, that leaves me 24 games. and i lose 1/6 of time so thats another 4 games of max loss= 4*100=~400.

    remaining 20 games win of some sort.
    prob of hitting one place bet and losing pass
    p(6)+p(8)=10/36=5/9= 55%
    prob of hitting two place bet and losing pass (i get confused here)
    i think i am missing some information here but not 100% sure where.
    p(6)*p(8)+P(6)*P(6)+p(8)*p(8)=(5/36^2)*3=5.78%
    prob of hitting two place bet and winning pass (assume 5-9)
    5.78%+p(5)+p(9)=5.78+4/36+4/36=~28%

    not really sure how well im doing here….maybe if you could give me insight on to if this is good strategy, or even if im doing math right is fine by me. Im an engineering student, so i know prob and math well, so dont worry about dumbing it down for me, i just get confused with the craps game, and everything.

    Thanks alot,

    hopefully this made some sense.

    Perrell

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